Nanaksar Thath Isher Darbar; Mander Street Wolverhampton
A while ago I published this picture and wrote underneath it : If you are a Sikh please do not visit this Thath. This is not a Gurdwara, what is practised here has nothing to do with Sikhí. If you are curious and want to have a look fine, but behave as you would in any mandr.
I received a comment from somebody calling himself Khalistan4 Panjab : You truly are an idiot. I have spent the best part of my life engrossed in Sikh history and Politics. I could type an essay explaining your lack of understanding. But i’m tired and only come by your site by accident. I do not consider you a Sikh, rather one of the growing number of trouble causing morons in our community. Spend more time in Naam Simran, sangat and Gurbani vidhiya, less time typing rubbish.
I answered : Thank you for your kind words. Seeing that they were caused by my posting on the Nanaksar Thath Isher Darbar I suspect that you follow Sant Babé instead of Guru Gobind Singh’s Guru Granth, Guru Panth. I hope that the Babé will make you truly happy, and will encourage you to be useful member of the society. Gurfateh, God Bless, Harjinder Singh.
Wonderful isn’t it. It shows you the level of a lot of the discussions between Sikhs. Carefully avoid discussing issues, just declare that those that disagree with you to be in the pay of the ISI or the GOI, or call them idiots or morons.
I am not a fan of self declared sants, not even if they run their deras more efficiently than many parbandhaks do. It is not that I deny the existence of holy people. But as Guru states very clearly in Sukhmani Sahib, a sant should have utter humility. I just cannot see any humility in declaring yourself to be a sant, the spiritual leader of the Sikhs in the UK or of the Sikhs in the western hemisphere.
To my understanding the panth and Sikh institutions should be run on the Guru Granth/Guru Panth principle, and not led by single man or woman, however holy. The fact that the people behind this place of worship call it a Thath is a sure pointer to the fact that this is not a Gurdwara.
And even its counterpart off the Lady Margaret Road in Southall, which does use the word Gurdwara in its name, is known for practices that do not fit in with Sikhí. Sikhs worship The One, Sikhs follow the Guru Granth Sahib and the word of God as comes to us through truly holy men like our Gurus and Bhagats.
The Nanak of the Guru Granth Sahib is the humble spokesman of God. Our eternal Guru does not tell us to follow people, but instead worship the Guru of Gurus, the Formless One, the Immaculate, the All-Pervading, the All-Powerful.
Equally the simran which I have to do is on God, Gurbani Vichar is trying to understand God’s word, not the word of Sant Babé. I am pretty sure that the above is true, but I feel no need to call my ‘opponent’ an idiot or a moron.